2004-07-02 07:19 pm (UTC)
It's not just you...
There's also a scene (well, plot line actually) usually cut involving the death of Scotty's nephew dying. Hence his abundant anger over the loss...
I do believe you're right...
Hrm. The same year they released STVI, the theatre had a huge marathon of all the movies up until then and I do remember that some movies were different than the VHS and TV versions I had seen.
... did you watch the director's cut DVD or the regular one?
Director's Cut, plus (as I mentioned) the broadcast TV and cable TV (AMC) versions within the last month. Wasn't in any of them.
The supplemental features do go on about how many different versions of the film have been cut and released - although I personally don't recall the shot you mention, and haven't felt there's anything missing when I've seen it within the past five years or so. I do have a VHS copy, actually... But that would mean procrastinating on stuff and pausing Spaceballs...
But that would mean procrastinating on stuff and pausing Spaceballs...
God, no! That'd be... that'd be... that'd be MAD!
(or just another Saturday night...)
you should check the old vhs version, see if it is on there. my dad has the whole set... if he lived a little closer I would borrow it from him and check for you... if you don't find out before the next time i go home i will do so for you.
i'm not a huge trekkie geek, but the scene you are talking about does seem vaguely familiar to me as well... would be interesting to find out why it was cut, if it was indeed in the older versions.
2004-07-02 09:09 pm (UTC)
I think you're misremembering it. I saw ST2 in the theater when it was new, and I've seen it about a thousand times since then. It's one of the only movies that I have both DVD releases of, and I've never ever seen the scene you're describing.
(Found your post from reading theferrett
I've found IMDB http://www.imdb.com
to be a good place to check stuff like this. There's a section where they profile most of the cuts of the movie and describe the included changes.
I'm watching my VHS copy here, which used to belong to the Whittier Public Library until someone complained it was unwatchable and they removed it from circulation. This is a Paramount release, a Gulf & Western company, which only has the 1982 copyright date on it, made in the USA. I can't find anything on it to indicate the exact year of this tape's release.
This is the last thirty seconds of Khan's life, shot by shot.
Ships in space.
Genesis device powering up.
Saavik: 3 minutes, 30 seconds
Kirk: Distance from Reliant
Chekov: 4000 kilometers
Sulu: We're not gonna make it, are we?
David shakes head.
Reliant on screen.
Khan smiling: No...
Enterprise on screen.
Enterprise on screen
Khan speech ends. (Khan eyes go glassy here.)
Spock puts cover on lightshow.
Control panel jumps around. Nominal.
Dippy and Skippy: Sir, the mains are back online.
Enterprise goes into slippy warp.
Close on Reliant.
Further from Reliant.
Further from Reliant. She explodes.
Enterprise zips on out.
It seems the same as my Director's Edition DVD.
And it actually takes about a minute in real time, the DVD tells me.
I sometimes have exaggerations in my "head movies" or I'll forget exactly where things happen, so I'll be all antsy they've removed it. One of the exaggerations was Christopher Reeve kissing Michael Caine in "Deathtrap." Man, in my head, that was the biggest, sloppiest, longest wet soul kiss to ever be on the screen. Minutes of steamy manlip lust emblazoned in my brain as this beacon of homosexuality. So I go back to watch it a few years ago and, yeah. They kiss. For about a second.
2004-07-03 12:05 am (UTC)
I see you shiver with procrasti--------nation.
Thanks. It appears that I did hallucinate it, which tells me that I am much more sadistic than Harve Bennett/Nicholas Meyer...
2004-07-03 10:25 am (UTC)
Re: I see you shiver with procrasti--------nation.
I like your idea better.
2004-07-03 10:57 am (UTC)
I don't remember the source.
I actually don't think you are crazy.
Somewhere I remember them talking, and I think it may be on Star Trek: The Motion Picture: Special Editions audio commentary, that ST:TMP and Khan both had massive cuts and variations added scenes, etc. all as bonus stuff for specific events. Remember, the Early 80s still had lots of movies making exciting big premieres on the networks a year or two after release.
I think it's very likely you weren't imagining this at all. I vaguely remember it(was it on one of Ben's copies?!?)
I remember we had that big Star Trek fest circa 1987...
2004-07-03 11:06 am (UTC)
Star Trek Fest '87
That's actually one of my strongest memories of junior high. I really want to do that again someday, with just the good Star Trek movies (2, 3, 4, 6, First Contact)
And Ben's copy is most likely where I got this memory from (assuming I didn't make it up), since that's the first version of Star Trek II that I saw all the way through...
2004-07-03 07:03 pm (UTC)
Re: Star Trek Fest '87
Well, I have 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, 9 on DVD (1-3 are SEs)
Have 1-6 on Widescreen VHS as well, if you need.
Also seasons 3, 4, 5, 6, of NG...
PS- Congrats on the car!
2004-07-03 10:52 pm (UTC)
Re: Star Trek Fest '87
I have access to all of the Special Edition DVDs down here, but I appreciate the offer...
It's been a looong time since I've seen that movie, but I do recall that scene!