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Sadist in my own mind [Jul. 2nd, 2004|06:52 pm]
Kurt Onstad
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So, I just finished watching Star Trek II on DVD (thanks to steppyb for the loan), and I've also watched it on both broadcast TV and cable recently, and there's a scene missing from all three versions that I distinctly remember from older viewings.

(If you need spoilers for STII, you've had 22 years, man. But, here you go, just in case.)

So, in the climactic scene where the Enterprise is slowly heading off, but it doesn't appear they will make it in time before the Genesis Device explodes, Khan gives his final speech, and that's the last we see of him. The Enterprise's engines are fixed by Spock's mucking around in the core, and the Enterprise warps out of there, then the Reliant explodes.

Now, in the mental movie in my head, as the Enterprise warps off, we see Khan one final time, looking at the viewscreen, and seeing his hated enemy escaping, and we see the expression on Khan's face, as he realizes that he has been completely and utterly defeated. And yet, that scene is nowhere to be found anywhere. Does anyone else have this memory, or is it just me?

Anyone have any other "missing scenes" from movies that they recall, but later find out weren't ever there?

[User Picture]From: foolbunny
2004-07-02 07:19 pm (UTC)

It's not just you...

There's also a scene (well, plot line actually) usually cut involving the death of Scotty's nephew dying. Hence his abundant anger over the loss...
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[User Picture]From: cyberpilate
2004-07-02 08:07 pm (UTC)
I do believe you're right...
Hrm. The same year they released STVI, the theatre had a huge marathon of all the movies up until then and I do remember that some movies were different than the VHS and TV versions I had seen.

... did you watch the director's cut DVD or the regular one?
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[User Picture]From: speedball
2004-07-02 08:16 pm (UTC)
Director's Cut, plus (as I mentioned) the broadcast TV and cable TV (AMC) versions within the last month. Wasn't in any of them.
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[User Picture]From: ideaspace
2004-07-02 11:08 pm (UTC)
The supplemental features do go on about how many different versions of the film have been cut and released - although I personally don't recall the shot you mention, and haven't felt there's anything missing when I've seen it within the past five years or so. I do have a VHS copy, actually... But that would mean procrastinating on stuff and pausing Spaceballs...
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[User Picture]From: cyberpilate
2004-07-03 10:23 am (UTC)
But that would mean procrastinating on stuff and pausing Spaceballs...

God, no! That'd be... that'd be... that'd be MAD!
(or just another Saturday night...)
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[User Picture]From: fuzzygondol
2004-07-02 08:58 pm (UTC)
you should check the old vhs version, see if it is on there. my dad has the whole set... if he lived a little closer I would borrow it from him and check for you... if you don't find out before the next time i go home i will do so for you.
i'm not a huge trekkie geek, but the scene you are talking about does seem vaguely familiar to me as well... would be interesting to find out why it was cut, if it was indeed in the older versions.
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[User Picture]From: wjf
2004-07-02 09:09 pm (UTC)
I think you're misremembering it. I saw ST2 in the theater when it was new, and I've seen it about a thousand times since then. It's one of the only movies that I have both DVD releases of, and I've never ever seen the scene you're describing.

(Found your post from reading theferrett)
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[User Picture]From: particle_man
2004-07-02 11:06 pm (UTC)
I've found IMDB http://www.imdb.com to be a good place to check stuff like this. There's a section where they profile most of the cuts of the movie and describe the included changes.
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[User Picture]From: ideaspace
2004-07-02 11:41 pm (UTC)


I'm watching my VHS copy here, which used to belong to the Whittier Public Library until someone complained it was unwatchable and they removed it from circulation. This is a Paramount release, a Gulf & Western company, which only has the 1982 copyright date on it, made in the USA. I can't find anything on it to indicate the exact year of this tape's release.

This is the last thirty seconds of Khan's life, shot by shot.

Ships in space.
Genesis device powering up.
Kirk: Time.
Saavik: 3 minutes, 30 seconds
Kirk: Distance from Reliant
Chekov: 4000 kilometers
Sulu: We're not gonna make it, are we?
David shakes head.
Reliant on screen.
Khan smiling: No...
Enterprise on screen.
Khan speech
Enterprise on screen
Khan speech ends. (Khan eyes go glassy here.)
Genesis device.
Spock puts cover on lightshow.
Control panel jumps around. Nominal.
Dippy and Skippy: Sir, the mains are back online.
Enterprise goes into slippy warp.
Close on Reliant.
Further from Reliant.
Further from Reliant. She explodes.
Enterprise zips on out.

It seems the same as my Director's Edition DVD.

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[User Picture]From: ideaspace
2004-07-02 11:54 pm (UTC)

thirty seconds

And it actually takes about a minute in real time, the DVD tells me.

I sometimes have exaggerations in my "head movies" or I'll forget exactly where things happen, so I'll be all antsy they've removed it. One of the exaggerations was Christopher Reeve kissing Michael Caine in "Deathtrap." Man, in my head, that was the biggest, sloppiest, longest wet soul kiss to ever be on the screen. Minutes of steamy manlip lust emblazoned in my brain as this beacon of homosexuality. So I go back to watch it a few years ago and, yeah. They kiss. For about a second.

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[User Picture]From: speedball
2004-07-03 12:05 am (UTC)

I see you shiver with procrasti--------nation.

Thanks. It appears that I did hallucinate it, which tells me that I am much more sadistic than Harve Bennett/Nicholas Meyer...
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[User Picture]From: cyberpilate
2004-07-03 10:25 am (UTC)

Re: I see you shiver with procrasti--------nation.

I like your idea better.
The End.
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[User Picture]From: seonsaint
2004-07-03 10:57 am (UTC)

I don't remember the source.

I actually don't think you are crazy.

Somewhere I remember them talking, and I think it may be on Star Trek: The Motion Picture: Special Editions audio commentary, that ST:TMP and Khan both had massive cuts and variations added scenes, etc. all as bonus stuff for specific events. Remember, the Early 80s still had lots of movies making exciting big premieres on the networks a year or two after release.

I think it's very likely you weren't imagining this at all. I vaguely remember it(was it on one of Ben's copies?!?)

I remember we had that big Star Trek fest circa 1987...
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[User Picture]From: speedball
2004-07-03 11:06 am (UTC)

Star Trek Fest '87

That's actually one of my strongest memories of junior high. I really want to do that again someday, with just the good Star Trek movies (2, 3, 4, 6, First Contact)

And Ben's copy is most likely where I got this memory from (assuming I didn't make it up), since that's the first version of Star Trek II that I saw all the way through...
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[User Picture]From: seonsaint
2004-07-03 07:03 pm (UTC)

Re: Star Trek Fest '87

Well, I have 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, 9 on DVD (1-3 are SEs)
Have 1-6 on Widescreen VHS as well, if you need.

Also seasons 3, 4, 5, 6, of NG...

PS- Congrats on the car!
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[User Picture]From: speedball
2004-07-03 10:52 pm (UTC)

Re: Star Trek Fest '87

I have access to all of the Special Edition DVDs down here, but I appreciate the offer...
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[User Picture]From: pottertilly
2004-07-04 08:55 pm (UTC)

Re: I remember too!

It's been a looong time since I've seen that movie, but I do recall that scene!
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